In the past 4 years I have heard all manner of arguments from both sides about Afganistan and Iraq, but still- what it usually comes down to for me is that I can see a day when more "Iraqi people" will have died at the hands/ as a result of scared young American soldiers (as acceptable casualties in their constant street battles crazy jihadists) than were "massacred" by Saddam. I can also see a day when the death toll of american soldiers fighting in the "war on terrorism" will be more than the oft-quoted +or-"3,000" who died in Sept. 11. so... then what. Our actions are wasteful of life and money and resources not to mention hundreds of thousands more ruined lives. That's all folks...